Phillip Cramer

Notes:

His listing of FindAGrave shows he married Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey, and was the father of Christina Cramer Utz.

However, Robert Givens, in a 1988 genealogy titled "Neidig Genealogy Origins of the Family" stated that Daniel Cramer's son Phillip Cramer instead married Christina Neidig, daughter of Johannes and sister of Henrietta Sophia Neidig, wife of Phillip's eldest brother, Helfer Cramer.

It appears that Daniel's son Phillip did indeed marry a woman named Christina, based on the following deed, which references "Philip Kromer with Christina his wife"

Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 52, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1943, cited the following deed (2R, 422) April 15, 1805. Helfrich Kromer of Codorus Township, yeoman, and Sophia his wife: to George WERNER; for (Pounds) 49.10.0: 8 acres, 140 perches, part of tract of 109 acres 126 perches surveyed ) October 14, 1768, to Daniel Kromer in pursuance of an application for 100 acres dated September 13, 1768, now the property of the said Helfrick Kromer as it appears by released of his brother Daniel Kromer bearing date Aug. 29, 1782, given to his brother Philip Kromer with Christina his wife conveyed the same to Helfrick on April 9, 1791.

Perhaps Dorothy Menchey was a second wife.

Givens also writes that Phillip and Christina were the parents of 8 children, all of whom were christened at St. Jacobs. His list shows these children as: Johannes/John Cramer b. 29 Oct 1782; Christina Cramer, b. 10 July 1784 and married Mr. Gosnell; Maria Barbara Cramer, b. 7 Mar 1786 and m. Mr. Markley, Helfer/Helser Cramer b. 6 Apr 1790, Peter Cramer b. ???, Daniel Cramer b. ??? and d. 1845, Molly Cramer b. ??? and m. Mr. Cochran, and Anna Margaret Cramer, b. ??? and d. 1845. Dean Cramer has an identical list of children born to Daniel's son Phillip Cramer by Christina Neidig. He also noted that "I suspect Phillip may have also been named Henry...."

A database on Ancestry.com [Ancestry.com - York County, Pennsylvania Church Records, 1760-1800: Codorus Township] does have the following baptism records relating to four children born to a Phillip Cramer and a Christina Neidig:

Johannes Cramer, 1 Dec 1782, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

Christina Cramer, 5 Aug 1784, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

Maria Barbara Cramer, 11 Mar 1786, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

Helfer Cramer, 26 Apr 1790, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

It appears likely, however, that the husband of Christina Neidig was more likely another, older, Phillip Cramer. Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13 years old when the eldest child was christened. Additionally Robert Givens stated that Phillips wife Christina was confirmed in St. Paul's in 1770 at the age of 14, so this would mean she was born about 1756. This would have made her 13 years older than her husband. If they married in 1782, prior to the birth of eldest son Johannes, Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13, and his bride 26.

The family of Phillip Cramer and Christina Neidig should be studied further before conclusively linking them with the Phillip Cramer who was a son of Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt.

Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 53, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1843, cited the following deeds relating to a Philip Cramer of Manheim.

(3C, 142) April 20, 1816. Stephen SHORB and Christina his wife; to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township, yeoman; for $417.72; 33 acres 120 perches in Manheim Township.

(3G, 362) April 26, 1823. John STICK and Salome his wife: to Philip Cramer and Andrew Gerhart: for $936; 80 acres in Manheim Township, to be held by the grantee as tenants in common.

(3H, 130) April 28, 1824. Andrew GERHART and Catharine his wife: to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township: for $376: the Grantors' intereste in #G, 362.





(Research):

Census Listings:

1850 Census
Pennsylvania, York County, Manheim Twp
Enumerated 18 Sept 1850
Handwritten No. 6, Stamped 321
144-144
Philip Cremer 82 M none 30 acrecer 1600 Pa
Elizabeth Cremer 71 F Pa
Cath Cremer 30 F Pa
Cath Myers 11 F
Lydia Myers 19 F Pa

Family/Spouse: Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey. Dorothy was born on 9 Sep 1777 in Pennsylvania; died on 28 Jul 1872 in Pennsylvania; was buried in Saint Davids Church (United Church of Christ) Cemetery, Hanover, York County, Pennsylvania. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Christina Cramer was born on 4 Apr 1818 in York County, Pennsylvania; died on 26 Aug 1887; was buried in Dubs Cemetery, Marburg, York County, Pennsylvania.
2. Catherine Cramer was born about 1820 in York County, Pennsylvania; and died.

Notes:

A Daniel Kramer is referenced in the book "Pennsylvania German Pioneers" by Strassburger/Hinke (Gen Publishing Co, Baltimore, MD, 1966) Vol I, p 488. A lookup volunteer from the York Co, PA genweb page reported the following: "List 183C, ship "Richard and Mary," John Moore, Master and last from Portsmouth. Foreigners who took the usual qualifications 26 Sept 1752 included Daniel Cramer among 88 others (males age 16 and over). No (X) by his name so apparently he signed his own name."

Also referenced, relationships currently unknown, are Johnannes Peter Kramer Vol 1 p 353,354, and Louise and Philip Cramer Vol II, p 59. Louise and Philip Cramer were passengers aboard the ship COLUMBIA William Maley, Master, from PA Sept 17, 1793.

According to Bob Givens, A Johan Helffer Cramer & Lorentz Cramer arrived on ship Phoenix on 1 Oct 1754 & he believes these are Daniel's brothers. Keith Dull's book EARLY GERMAN SETTLERS OF YORK COUNTY, PA revised edition 1997 agrees with the relationship of Daniel, Helfer and Lorentz. Clarence E. Cramer notes this relationship as well, stating the Helfer's "uncles (were) Johann Helffrich and Lorentz CRAMER, and that he had a "probable-uncle, John KRAHMER (p. 52).

Daniel was on the 1762 tax list; was warranted 109.126 acres in Codurus Township on 14 Oct 1768, and his will was probated on 7 March 1780 (source DULL, p 43-44)

Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 52, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1943, cited the following deed (2R, 422) April 15, 1805. Helfrich Kromer of Codorus Township, yeoman, and Sophia his wife: to George WERNER; for (Pounds) 49.10.0: 8 acres, 140 perches, part of tract of 109 acres 126 perches surveyed ) October 14, 1768, to Daniel Kromer in pursuance of an application for 100 acres dated September 13, 1768, now the property of the said Helfrick Kromer as it appears by release of his brother Daniel Kromer bearing date Aug. 29, 1782, given to his brother Philip Kromer with Christina his wife conveyed the same to Helfrick on April 9, 1791. On page 72, Mrs. Cannon indicates that a John CREAMER, owing allegiance to the King of Bavaria, was naturilzed on August 4, 1844; and that Andrew CREMER, owing allegiance to the King of Wurtemberg, was naturilzed on April 20, 1858.

The book ABSTRACTS OF YORK COUNTY, PA WILLS 1749-1819 shows the following:

---,---. Mar 6, 1780. Cramer, Daniel. Executors Jacob Shares and Haefer Cramer (German Will).

---,---. Mar 7, 1780. Kramer, Daniel. Executors: Jacob Shaves and Halfor Kramer. (German Will).

(Index 1780 E-75).

Roger Cramer (RKCedar@aol.com) believes him to be a son of Johan Georg Kramer and Elisabeth Blaicher, who arrived in America on 3 December 1740 with their family aboard the ship "Robert and Alice". They were from Saulgau, Donaukreis, W?rttemberg, Germany.

However, Rosalie Sommer (rosaliesommer@comcast.net), shows different parents, listing him as a son of Johann Daniel Friedrich Cramer, husband of Anna Catharine Wilhelm of Rommelshausen, W?rttemberg, who emigrated on 26 Sept 1852 on the "Richard and Mary" to Philadelphia from Rotterdam. She shows that Daniel and Catharine has two sons born in Rommelshausen, and that Daniel married secoind Sofia PFEIL of Leutenbach, W?rttemberg, by whom he had six children, including Daniel Cramer, the husband of Anna Margareta Schmidt. In her tree, however, the Daniel Cramer born in Rommelshausen was shown as born ca 1743, and as his eldest son, Helfer, was born 1753, this seems unlikely.

Rosalie also indicates that an unrelated Cramer family, that of Hans Adam Cramer, of Rheinhessen, Hessen, had arrived in York County earlier aboard the ship "Pennsylvania" on 10 Sept 1731.

Rosalie Sommer's 2008 database, showing Daniel and his descendants, can be found here:


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?p=GET&db=rosaliesommer&id=I6743

Daniel married Anna Margaretha Schmidt about 1752 in York County, Pennsylvania. Anna was born about 1730 in York County, Pennsylvania; died before Sep 1815 in York County, Pennsylvania. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Anna Margaretha (Schmidt), wife of Daniel Cramer, on the baptismal records of her daughter, Eva Elisabetha Cramer. Often shown as the daughter of Heinrich SCHMIDT.

However, Scott Michael Troutman, smtroutman@atlanticbb.net, in February 2005, had the following in his notes about the family of Heinrich and Anna Margaretha SCHMIDT: "Research of William S. CRAMER in Smith family file 2711, 1992, York Historical Society Library states that "Henry Smith emigrated aboard the ship Pennsylvania Merchant 11 Sept 1731 (Strassberger & Hicke pps 43,45,46.) List as Johan Hendrick Smit and Johan Hennrich Schmidt with Margarite Smit (his wife). Children also include a Rosina Smit.

Daughter Anna Margaretha is thought to be married to Daniel Kramer. Info in the Smith family file at York Historical Society give her birth as 1740, death 1803. However, she is listed in fathers will ca 1771 as married to Jacob Harbaugh, and NOT Daniel Kramer. IF Daniel Kramer died before 1771, or if Anna Margareta divorced and remarried, this might be possible. Otherwise, the information that Anna Margaretha Schmidt-the daughter of Heinrich Schmidt-was married to Daniel Kramer MAY BE IN ERROR."

Clarence E. Cramer writes that "The 1779 Tax Records show Helfer Cramer then owned a farm of 124 acres in Codorus Township (see page 12), and his mother is listed seperately as "Widow GRAMER" with the parental acres." (P. 52)

In September, 1815, Helfrig Cramer was the administrator of the Estate of Anna N. Cramer, widow, of Codorus Township. Tenet in $200. Inventory filed March 11, 1816. Account filed December 24, 1816, shows a balance of $9. 41 1/2. Source: Cannon, Edith Beard "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, pp. 1-72, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1943, p 48

Notes:

Married:
Robert Givens is cited by Dean Cramer as the source of this marriage information. Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt Cramer are also shown on York County, PA Church records for Codorus as the parents of Anna Maria Cramer, baptized in 1762 and Eva Elisabetha Cramer, baptized in 1766.