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Phillip Cramer

Male 1769 - 1859  (90 years)


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  • Name Phillip Cramer  [1, 2, 3, 4
    Born 17 Mar 1769  Codorus Township, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 3, 5
    Gender Male 
    Died 4 Aug 1859  York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Buried Saint Davids Church (United Church of Christ) Cemetery, Hanover, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Notes 
    • His listing of FindAGrave shows he married Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey, and was the father of Christina Cramer Utz.

      However, Robert Givens, in a 1988 genealogy titled "Neidig Genealogy Origins of the Family" stated that Daniel Cramer's son Phillip Cramer instead married Christina Neidig, daughter of Johannes and sister of Henrietta Sophia Neidig, wife of Phillip's eldest brother, Helfer Cramer.

      It appears that Daniel's son Phillip did indeed marry a woman named Christina, based on the following deed, which references "Philip Kromer with Christina his wife"

      Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 52, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1943, cited the following deed (2R, 422) April 15, 1805. Helfrich Kromer of Codorus Township, yeoman, and Sophia his wife: to George WERNER; for (Pounds) 49.10.0: 8 acres, 140 perches, part of tract of 109 acres 126 perches surveyed ) October 14, 1768, to Daniel Kromer in pursuance of an application for 100 acres dated September 13, 1768, now the property of the said Helfrick Kromer as it appears by released of his brother Daniel Kromer bearing date Aug. 29, 1782, given to his brother Philip Kromer with Christina his wife conveyed the same to Helfrick on April 9, 1791.

      Perhaps Dorothy Menchey was a second wife.

      Givens also writes that Phillip and Christina were the parents of 8 children, all of whom were christened at St. Jacobs. His list shows these children as: Johannes/John Cramer b. 29 Oct 1782; Christina Cramer, b. 10 July 1784 and married Mr. Gosnell; Maria Barbara Cramer, b. 7 Mar 1786 and m. Mr. Markley, Helfer/Helser Cramer b. 6 Apr 1790, Peter Cramer b. ???, Daniel Cramer b. ??? and d. 1845, Molly Cramer b. ??? and m. Mr. Cochran, and Anna Margaret Cramer, b. ??? and d. 1845. Dean Cramer has an identical list of children born to Daniel's son Phillip Cramer by Christina Neidig. He also noted that "I suspect Phillip may have also been named Henry...."

      A database on Ancestry.com [Ancestry.com - York County, Pennsylvania Church Records, 1760-1800: Codorus Township] does have the following baptism records relating to four children born to a Phillip Cramer and a Christina Neidig:

      Johannes Cramer, 1 Dec 1782, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

      Christina Cramer, 5 Aug 1784, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

      Maria Barbara Cramer, 11 Mar 1786, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

      Helfer Cramer, 26 Apr 1790, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania

      It appears likely, however, that the husband of Christina Neidig was more likely another, older, Phillip Cramer. Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13 years old when the eldest child was christened. Additionally Robert Givens stated that Phillips wife Christina was confirmed in St. Paul's in 1770 at the age of 14, so this would mean she was born about 1756. This would have made her 13 years older than her husband. If they married in 1782, prior to the birth of eldest son Johannes, Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13, and his bride 26.

      The family of Phillip Cramer and Christina Neidig should be studied further before conclusively linking them with the Phillip Cramer who was a son of Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt.

      Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 53, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1843, cited the following deeds relating to a Philip Cramer of Manheim.

      (3C, 142) April 20, 1816. Stephen SHORB and Christina his wife; to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township, yeoman; for $417.72; 33 acres 120 perches in Manheim Township.

      (3G, 362) April 26, 1823. John STICK and Salome his wife: to Philip Cramer and Andrew Gerhart: for $936; 80 acres in Manheim Township, to be held by the grantee as tenants in common.

      (3H, 130) April 28, 1824. Andrew GERHART and Catharine his wife: to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township: for $376: the Grantors' intereste in #G, 362.



    • (Research):

      Census Listings:

      1850 Census
      Pennsylvania, York County, Manheim Twp
      Enumerated 18 Sept 1850
      Handwritten No. 6, Stamped 321
      144-144
      Philip Cremer 82 M none 30 acrecer 1600 Pa
      Elizabeth Cremer 71 F Pa
      Cath Cremer 30 F Pa
      Cath Myers 11 F
      Lydia Myers 19 F Pa
    Person ID I7714  Strong Family Tree
    Last Modified 17 Aug 2014 

    Father Daniel Cramer,   b. Abt 1730, W?rttemberg, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1779, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 48 years) 
    Mother Anna Margaretha Schmidt,   b. Abt 1730, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef Sep 1815, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 85 years) 
    Married Abt 1752  York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    • Robert Givens is cited by Dean Cramer as the source of this marriage information. Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt Cramer are also shown on York County, PA Church records for Codorus as the parents of Anna Maria Cramer, baptized in 1762 and Eva Elisabetha Cramer, baptized in 1766.
    Family ID F3327  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey,   b. 9 Sep 1777, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 28 Jul 1872, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 94 years) 
    Children 
     1. Christina Cramer,   b. 4 Apr 1818, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 26 Aug 1887  (Age 69 years)
     2. Catherine Cramer,   b. Abt 1820, York County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 11 Mar 2013 
    Family ID F12765  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 17 Mar 1769 - Codorus Township, York County, Pennsylvania Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 4 Aug 1859 - York County, Pennsylvania Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - - Saint Davids Church (United Church of Christ) Cemetery, Hanover, York County, Pennsylvania Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S873] Find A Grave [database online]; http://www.findagrave.com/, (Thousands of contributors submit new listings, updates, corrections, photographs and virtual flowers every hour to the FIND A GRAVE website. When it comes to administrating, building and maintaining the site, Find A Grave is largely operated by its founder, Jim Tipton.), # 34379656 (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S555] Cramer, Roger E.-Family Researcher (RKCedar@aol.com).

    3. [S144] 1850 United States Federal Census [Ancestry.com database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, (Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls. This database is an index to individuals enumerated in the 1850 United States Federal Census, the Seventh Census of the United States. Census takers recorded many details including each person's name, age as of the census day, sex, color; birthplace, occupation of males over age fifteen, and more. No relationships were shown between members of a household. Additionally, the names of those listed on the population schedule are linked to actual images of the 1850 Federal Census.), Pennsylvania, York County, Manheim Twp Enumerated 18 Sept 1850 Handwritten No. 6, Stamped 321 144-144 (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S547] Cramer, Dean-Family Researcher (dcramer@primus.al.net).

    5. [S547] Cramer, Dean-Family Researcher (dcramer@primus.al.net), shows DOB ca 1768 (Reliability: 3).